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On this episode of my Cubicle Crashing Podcast, I interview Hayley Hogan, who has an incredible story of losing everything, and she shares her experience of how her trust in bigger and better things pushed her from a high positioned career in marketing and events for a film company in Sydney, to pursue her passion to become a fiction writer and editor in Bali.

Hayley’s story is quite amazing, because it involves her being in the verge of being laid off like the rest of the staff in her company, and also losing all her savings in the stock market, and I’m not talking a small amount at all.  It was literally everything she and her partner had to start their new life, and she had to face REALLY starting from scratch.

This is a great episode I really enjoyed recording, as Hayley talks about the acceptance of fear, and what she did to change her reality.  She also talks about how the hell she changed careers without having any experience being a writer or editor, and how she now makes more money working for herself than than she did in Sydney.

You are in for a treat when you hear how I picked Hayley’s brain on getting visibility for her new passion-based career, and being a sought after editor only a year after she started with no experience.

Episode 5 | Special Guest Hayley Hogan

In this episode:

  • Her climb up the corporate ladder and how the view wasn’t what she thought it’d be
  • How she took a passion and turned it into a lucrative way to make money
  • Her start on freelancing website Fiverr
  • The journey of her transition to be able to write full time
  • What her tipping point was before she made the move to Bali

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Memorable Podcast Snippets:

“I think I went into a 3-month depressive slump. I wish I could say that I just leapt out of bed one day and knew the path ahead and sprinted down it, but that’s just not the case at all. I ran away. I ran away by traveling for quite some time through Europe and then back to Bali and then I read a lot of romance novels. And thank god I did, because that’s probably the first point where I was like, ‘wait a second, here’s something that I’ve always loved doing.

Here’s something that makes me genuinely happy. I could work a 12-hour day and I’d still come home and read for another 4 hours.’ And that was probably the first moment when I went, ‘whoa, that’s actually something that I’ve never considered that I should probably do.”




“I’ve always been drawn to working with big thinkers, so I love people who take risks, who have grand visions. A lot of the people who work with people like that will complain about how crazy they can be, or eccentric or demanding.

And I say, ‘bring it on’ because you have to be crazy to launch big, exciting new projects. But at that point I realized, I just don’t have it in me to continue this way.

In the end it was their vision, not my vision, but I was carrying so much of the weight of anxiety and responsibility for them, in partnership with them and I just thought ‘Life is too short.

I wasn’t put on this planet to be up at 11 o’clock at night unable to sleep because I’m worrying about something that I ultimately have no control over.”




“Two years since escaping the 9-5, (or in truth 8am-8pm) and my days are spent reading and writing stories. I make more money than I did in Sydney, my living expenses have halved, and I’m happy.”




Resources listed on the show:

Learn more and get in touch with Hayley:

Website: https://catehogan.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/true.mad.deep

Twitter: https://twitter.com/CateAuthor

Instagram: https://instagram.com/true_mad_deep/

Freelance Website Hayley started on: https://www.fiverr.com/


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